Re: Ohio Child Support
Posted by: "Children Need Both Parents, Inc"
childrenneedbothparents@msn.com smith447162000
Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:27 am (PST)
While all forms of advocacy maintain an importance, I too have been writing letters for years and still my oldest son is dead from a drug that I wrote letters to stop having it administered to him. NO RESULTS. I have written letters of parental alienation - my youngest son loves me sometimes and sometimes he doesn't - NO RESULTS
Yes Mitt Romney received the names of the 300 fathers falsely accused and have made no mention of it since. The only people who know that he has them are those who gave them to him and the internet crowd who was told about it.
I was at Mitt Romney's celebration in Southfield Mi on election night. I was one of only 5 African Americans in the room. I was there so early until I stood directly in front of the podium. Channel 7's crew ask me if they could squeeze in next to me to get their report in. I was appalled at Romney who, after his acceptance speech shook hands and signed autographs until he got to me when I said Mr. Governor I have a question, his secret service detail said NO QUESTIONS. Romney looked me in the eyes and turned the other way. The reporter immediately gave me her number because she and I had joked most of the evening about my being the only African American in the room. She wanted to interview me based on Romney's total disregard for me or my question, at which time he completely lost any support that I may have had for him. I refused to do an inflammatory victimization interview to upstage a Presidential Candidate and have not spoke about this publicly until now that you raise the issue that letters were handed to him.
We are no longer looking for sound bites but we demand the issues to be addressed.
Ron
To:
Fathers-4-Justice@yahoogroups.comFrom:
mkg4583@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:05:15 +0000
Subject: [Fathers-4-Justice] Re: Ohio Child Support
Hi Ron,
I disagree with your statement. It may seem to be a waste of time, but
it really is not. Writing letters is like voting. Its cumulative
(sic). I write letters on a daily basis. They are simple, direct and a
request of help with problems of children who are left without the other
parent. And letter writing is free.
I understand the root cause of the problems that we all have. . I just
ask my reprenstatives to consider the current legislation in this state
or another, how imporant it is for children. And then.... tommorrow I
write another letter to another.....and then again....
In Michigan, father righs advocates hand Mitt Romney 300 names of
fathers falsely accused. He did not have them before, now he has
them. (I think that is what happened.) No one walked up to the guy
with purple painted hair, or with a big shirt saying "I've been F-----
by the Government" Just normal people with a grievance, one after the
other, like water running over rocks that wears them down to
sand........
Mark
--- In
Fathers-4-Justice@yahoogroups.com, "Children Need Both Parents,
Inc" <childrenneedbothparents@... wrote:
Writing a letter to the Ombudsperson is a tremendous waste of
time...something that we have done for the past 20 years not
understanding how the profits are realized and who gets paid...WE KNOW
but anyone who has not tasted this treacherous system will spout the
same propaganda that we have heard for years and that is you should step
up to the plate and take care of your responsibility. This is the
propaganda that the state began which caught on along with DEADBEAT DAD
etc.
Here are a few glossary terms and definitions that we should all be
aware of:
1. Custodial parent - The parent awarded physical custody of a minor
child and therefore responsible for day-to-day decisions affecting the
child..
(This is obviously a paid position and funded by the parent who did
not get the AWARD. One wins one loses. Go figure our children are an
award granted by the state!!!!
2. Child Support Enforcement System (CSES) The computerized
case-management system required of each state by the federal Family
Support Act of 1988 to streamline the administration of state child
support programs.
(This is where visitation or parenting time is a non issue....These
BOZOs fail to recognize that "child support is what you do when your
kids are with you."
3. Fragile Family - Unmarried parents raising a child together: called
"family" because children are being raised jointly and "fragile" because
of the high risk of poverty and instability.
(By mere virtue of this definition, the state considers any unmarried
couple as a detriment defining it in negative terms (FRAGILE or
UNSTABLE) This is when the children belong to the state caseworkers who
decide how strong the family bond is....THIS IS A CROCK WE WANT
GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS AND WE WILL FIND CANDIDATES TO REMOVE
JUDGES, STATE REPS, STATE SENATORS, etc until we have a government that
is actually for the people and not using the people. Please check
www.firefeeney.org WE HAVE A CANDIDATE and we completely expect to take
this judges seat in the upcoming election JUST TO SEND A MESSAGE!!!!)
4. Imputed Income - The amount a person is able to earn, even if s/he
currently is not earning at that level.
(HERE WE GO!!!! This says nothing about a NEEDS ANALYSIS which would
highlight the needs of a child which is generally far below the 40-50%
of ones income that is also AWARDED or IMPUTED based on how much Title -
IV D monies will be made by the state. Let's see....If the work you do
in your state is comparable to another and is paid higher in another
state then a judge could tag you with child support based on what
someone else makes in another jurisdiction because you are technically
able to earn this if you lived there. WHAT A BUNCH OF HOGWASH!!! NO ONES
SPENDS 50% OF THEIR CHECK ON THE CHILDREN WHEN THEY LIVE IN THE HOUSE
WITH THE SPOUSE. WHY DO THE CHILDREN'S NEEDS GROW SO LARGE AFTER
SPLITTING UP? AND WHY WON'T THE STATES ENTERTAIN SHARED PARENTING FOR
FIT AND WILLING PARENTS UNLESS IT IS FINANCIALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO THE
STATE. EQUAL CONTACT WITH NOT JUST BOTH PARENTS BUT BOTH SIDES OF A
CHILDS FAMILY...THIS IS IN THE "BEST INTEREST"....
Non-custodial parent - The parent who does not have custody of the
child and is not responsible for day-to-day decisions affecting the
child's well-being. A noncustodial parent may have rights to visit the
child or have the child with him/her for periods of time ("visitation"
rights and "parenting time") as well as a legal obligation to pay child
support.
THIS TOTALLY INFURIATES ME!!! message to our candidates...Hillary
Clampett- Barak Osama - Mick Rooney - John McPain THIS IS TOTALLY
UNACCEPTABLE AND IF WE DO NOT AFFECT THE 2008 ELECTION YOU CAN BE DARN
SURE THAT 2012 WE WILL CONTROL!!!!!!!
5. Shared economic responsibility (SER) The circumstance in which a
noncustodial parent has a child with him/her frequently enough (at least
128 overnights annually) to be considered directly contributing to the
child's care.
(We can find Sudaam Husein in a whole in the ground in the middle of
the desert but we can't figure out that this governmental intrusion into
the households of the American Family is constitutionally wrong and will
no longer be tolerated.) Letters to officials that we know will be
thrown away is no longer what we will entertain. AUGUST 15-17 AT THE
LINCOLN MEMORIAL. THIS YEAR IF WE STOP THE PAPER TRAIL AND INTERNET
COMPLAINING AND DECIDE THAT NOTHING ELSE IS MORE IMPORTANT....WE CAN
AFFECT THE ISSUES OF THE NOVEMBER ELECTION!!!!
IF IT IS TO BE......IT IS UP TO ME!!!!!! That is the slogan this
year....YOU MUST YOU CAN AND YOU WILL
Ron Smith
To:
Fathers-4-Justice@yahoogroups.com From: kautie@...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:16:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [Fathers-4-Justice] Ohio Child Support
Hi all,
Here are my two cents:
Find your County Department of Child Support Services, get the name of
the Ombudsperson, and write him/her a complaint letter denouncing the
misuse of Title IV D.
Probably nothing will happen, but at least it will be in their radar
that you KNOW that Judges are taking custody away from perfectly fit
parents for a profit.
Educate people ? not only custodial or non-custodial parents, but
everyone about the subject.
Start writing government officials about the misuse of Title IV D.
I think if we start focusing the custody problems from this
perspective we could attract tax payers' attention, and the media
will be more interested in hearing about the problem.
For some people, it is a difficult concept. I have been talking with
my co-workers about this, and they were oblivious to the situation but
glad that I brought it up.
Thanks!
Kenya
----- Original Message ----
From: mike russo redrocker1_ou812@...
To:
Fathers-4-Justice@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:53:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fathers-4-Justice] Ohio Child Support
Oh Marta....where do I begin?
TITLE IV-D of the social services law is the most vile
and evil of all things in our government as far as I
am concerned. It does exactly the opposite of what
it's mission statement says.
In Missouri, as in most all states, the child support
enforcement agency runs you through a Title IV-D case.
If you look on your paperwork you will see it
somewhere on there IV-D. No matter whether or not you
volutarily pay the money, you are presented to the
federal government as "collected on". In other words,
"Deadbeat". In Mo, the state is getting .64cents on
the dollar for every dollar they "collect" from you.
It was more, but was reduced because of the war. It
brings in 417 million a year and 1.2 billion over the
last 5 years.
Here is the kicker, the money is what is reffered to
as "Soft Money". This means that the money allocated
to the state is not regulated at all,
they can do
whatever they want with it, including
(speculation) paying judges and attorneys to keep
people flowing through the system. Google Title IV-D
and I am sure you will find a lot more info, mostly
from Lary Holland.
--- Marta Rubin <adrienne2528@ yahoo.com wrote:
Mike-
Good morning. I have always been confused about
how the states profit off of child support.
I don't want to take a lot of your time, but is
there a simple explanation?
For instance, pays $800 in child support per
month. Without fail, that amount is garnished from
his wages at the rate of $369.23 every two weeks.
His ex wife (Romona-the pest) does receive $800 per
month, but it is spread over two or three payments
during the month.
He has actually overpaid his child support by
several thousand dollars (due to CSE errors in 1998
and 2004), but CSE only recognized an overpayment of
$301. (Back in Nov. 2005 they sent us a letter to
this effect)
Is it just that the federal government pays CSE to
monitor the CS order?
Marta
mike russo <redrocker1_ou812@ yahoo.com wrote:
Isn't that something? Can't cancel the
child support.
Well it can be done, but it takes an affidavit in
MO,
and of course is a huge headache.
--- Meghan Schooler skissime@yahoo. com wrote:
My child support
experience from yesterday:
This woman is a wonderful woman!!
I had to share this one with all of you.
I went to the CSEA yesterday to drop off a payment
for my Husband.
First off, I waited over 15 minutes to be able to
actually get to the window to make the payment!
You
would think with all of the Federal earnings that
they are getting for Child Support payments that
they collect, they would have enough PROFIT to
hire someone else and have 2 people at the window.
There was a lady in front of me that was telling
the CSEA employee that she wanted to cancel her
child support because the father saw the little
girl ALL the time and they got along for her sake and
he helped out a lot with her and she didn't see it
necessary anymore. The CSEA employee told her that
they CANNOT cancel a child support order. WHY NOT?
BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING PROFIT OFF OF OUR
CHILDREN!
I am a MOTHER that supports Fathers rights, equal
parenting, grandparents rights and EQUALITY.
I actually stopped the lady on my way out and told
her that what she was doing for her little girl
was WONDERFUL. Her little girl should know that her
mommy is a special lady to let her daddy be in her
life equally.
This is how it needs to be for ALL CHILDREN.
They need US EQUALLY!
50/50 EQUAL PARENTING!
www.f4j.us www.myspace.com/wemissmiranda
