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« on: December 27, 2007, 08:20:58 PM »

Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Brian" bassist_guy@yahoo.com   bassist_guy
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:55 pm (PST)
I think we may be having an effect. story below.

State ends annual deadbeat-parent roundup
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS,AP
Posted: 2007-12-27 15:56:38
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - The state has ditched a decade-old program that
rounded up deadbeat parents one day or week each year to draw
attention to people late with their child support payments.

The Department of Job and Family Services said people behind in
support payments don't always deserve to be handcuffed on TV. The
state also can't say whether the arrests generated overdue money for
children.

Sheriff's departments said they had safety concerns about the
program. Counties said they couldn't always pull together the
employees to administer the arrests.

"When you've got a parent in front of you who says, 'I want to pay
child support but I need help,' before we lock that person up, before
we put them on TV, we want to give them that opportunity to do the
right thing," Doug Thompson, deputy director for the state's Office
of Child Support, told The Associated Press.

The arrests aren't going away, and many counties arrest dozens of
people each day for failing to pay child support. But Thompson said
the state is working with counties to figure out new ways to get
parents to make regular payments.

This approach is consistent with recommendations from the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services.

Too often, social service agencies intervene in a child support case
only after the parent piles up substantial debt that is unlikely to
be collected, according to a 2005 strategic plan drafted by the
agency's Office of Child Support Enforcement.

"Severe enforcement remedies applied when necessary have their
place," the report said. "But this Strategic Plan signals our intent
to build a culture of compliance, in which parents support their
children voluntarily and reliably."

Counties weren't sorry to see the roundup go. Some worried about a
one-day influx of offenders with already overcrowded jails and
limited staff to handle the intake.

Others didn't participate because a local sheriff was already looking
for the county's most wanted, said Kim Newsom Bridges, executive
director of Ohio's association of child support enforcement directors.

For all these reasons, only 43 of the state's 88 counties
participated in last year's event. In 2005, 39 participated.

Bridges said the roundups, which began in 1997, were important when
they started as a way to publicize the issue and push sheriffs'
offices to arrest people behind in payments.

Hamilton County led last year's roundup totals with 84 arrests,
according to the state's news release about the 2006 effort.

Yet the county didn't even participate in the event, but instead
forwarded to the state the number of relevant arrests it happened to
make that week.

"Every day is roundup day," said Jeff Startzman, who oversees child
support enforcement for Hamilton County Job and Family Services. The
county makes almost 3,000 child support arrests a year.

An arrest is likely to force an offender to temporarily make a
payment, but much more is needed to make those payments steady,
Startzman said.

One of the county's approaches, Real Dads, links men behind in their
payments with local businesses and "life coaches" who help them
figure out how to keep a job and make regular payments.

"It's one thing to get money out of somebody, it's another thing to
get money out of someone consistently because they want to do it and
because it's a priority," Startzman said.

Some counties continue to do their own versions of roundups. Clermont
County conducted a month-long effort in August that arrested 120
people, including a man hiding from police in an attic.

That's the type of scenario that worries some sheriffs, concerned
about the pre-roundup publicity, said Bob Cornwell, executive
director of the Buckeye State Sheriffs' Association.

"When you give people advance notice that, 'I'm coming out tomorrow
to pick everybody up because we're having a big roundup,' it gives
some people an opportunity to lay in wait," Cornwell said.

Sheriffs hope providing a year's worth of arrest data will make a
bigger impression on the public.

On the Net:

Job and Family Services: http://jfs.ohio.gov/

Ohio CSEA Directors Association: http://www.ocda.us/

Buckeye Sheriffs' Association: http://www.buckeyesheriffs.org/

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. The information contained in the
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 08:21:38 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "John Meyer" john.l.meyer@gmail.com   thefever_y2k
Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:24 pm (PST)
To be sure, it's a small one and who can be sure that some politician
looking for a cheap boost might re institute it down the road, but I
think we're seeing a small amount of stories that are pointing out that
putting people in jail is not a good way to increase their chances of
getting a job and making payments.
It's good to see that some people are realizing you draw more flies with
honey than vinigar, but we need to keep up our efforts.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 08:22:12 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Mister Wonderful" boinker6275@yahoo.com   boinker6275
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:03 pm (PST)
Must be going around.

I appealed to our DCS director this year before Fathers Day, the typical "roundup" day in the FU-WA, to cut this shit out, comparing it to rounding up bad moms before mothers day.

He worked with the county prosecutors, who he has under contract to do this stuff, and got them all to pledge NOT to do it this past June in WA.

We had none.

I wonder if the DCS directors union, er ah, association talked this issue, and how it wasn't such a good idea after all.

Mark

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 08:23:05 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Lary Holland" laryholland@sbcglobal.net   frcmichigan
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:04 pm (PST)
The more that create the buzz, the more likely we are going to make an impact. Every individual resource and every capable voice is necessary to make change happen. It is something that is a continual process. Even after proclaimed success and victory, we must continue to monitor our government and advance our society through individual assertion of our own positive authority. Don't EVER defer it to the government.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 08:23:46 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Children Need Both Parents, Inc" childrenneedbothparents@msn.com   smith447162000
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:10 pm (PST)

KUDOS Mr. Wonderful.....It is amazing how non chalant the authorities will disgrace and denigrate a man yet the same practice isn't done with women. Happy Fathers Day you are under arrest....How blatant and ugly this practice has gotten... Thanks for everything you do!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 08:24:21 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Children Need Both Parents, Inc" childrenneedbothparents@msn.com   smith447162000
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:29 pm (PST)

I think those in Ohio should be extremely cautious as this may simply be a ploy for many to let down the guard and fall prey to an unpublicized mass arrest on Father's Day.

BE CAREFUL

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 08:25:05 PM »

Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "joe jurecki" joejurecki@achildsright.net   joemaflage
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:35 pm (PST)
They also fail to mention how many "deadbeats" they pick up while going to get thier kids

"Children Need Both Parents, Inc" <childrenneedbothparents@msn.com> wrote: KUDOS Mr. Wonderful.....It is amazing how non chalant the authorities will disgrace and denigrate a man yet the same practice isn't done with women. Happy Fathers Day you are under arrest....How blatant and ugly this practice has gotten... Thanks for everything you do!!!!

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Re: Ohio ENDS deadbeat roundups
Posted by: "Lary Holland" laryholland@sbcglobal.net   frcmichigan
Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:39 pm (PST)
Or line up in about 1000 people in one county and say... we can't afford to pay child support but would love to raise our kids without government interference. Then they could not selectively arrest anyone... All or nothing.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 02:46:51 PM »

  URGENT - A Very Important Message and Request from Fathers-4-Justice
Posted by: "John Fowler" john.fowler@fathers-4-justice.us   fowlermj54
Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:34 pm (PST)

All Ohio Fathers-4-Justice Members and Supporters,

If there is one email you need to read, understand and take
immediate action on, it is this one.

For the last couple of years Ohio has been a hotbed of activity for
Fathers-4-Justice (F4J). There have been numerous demonstrations,
court watches, and parades. Dedicated leaders and individuals have
sacrificed time, money and efforts to educate the public, judges and
public officials about the inequalities in Ohio's family courts,
courts that are among the worst in the country for allowing our
children equal access to both fit parents. Ohio F4J has even had
several members endure attacks of retribution from judges for their
involvement in F4J and standing up for their basic rights to be a
parent to their children. We should all be thankful for the efforts
of the individuals who have sacrificed so much.

The F4J national organization has realized for a long time how hard
it is to be effective in light of the widespread epidemic of corrupt
family law that is destroying families and children throughout the
country. We are growing, but our resources are still extremely
limited. Similarly, one of our major issues in Ohio has been the
lack of a specific goal for our members to concentrate their efforts
on. That is about to change. Now it's time to take the next major
step towards changing the custody laws in Ohio, with the end result
being similar family law reform across the United States

Operation Falling Dominoes
F4J is excited to announce and support a new initiative to
effectively change the laws governing child custody. The initiative
has been dubbed "Operation Falling Dominoes". This operation is
designed to change the custody laws in states through the
implementation of Initiative and Referendum (I & R) ballot
initiatives. F4J will first focus its resources and efforts on
strong states, like Ohio, where I & R is allowed. F4J believes that
by taking the issues directly to voters and bypassing political
processes and legislative bodies that are controlled by attorneys
and special interest groups, we will be able to pass custody
legislation by the will of the people. We also believe that once we
are successful in one state, other states will fall...just
like "Falling Dominoes".

Great News for Ohio!
It was a natural for the national organization, and you, to choose
Ohio as the first state to begin implementing Operation Falling
Dominoes strategies. This is an acknowledgement of the dedication
and sacrifices of the Ohio members who are leading the way for state
and the resulting national family law reform.

The plan is to focus F4J's national resources on the Ohio effort. It
also means individuals will have to dedicate unparalleled time and
efforts to make this effort a success. With a high profile for this
campaign nationally, the hope is that it will inspire people from
other states to make this effort a rallying cry for reform in all
states. The geographic location of Ohio is well-suited to attract a
good cross-section of activists and advocates to help support this
cause here.

The Falling Dominoes campaign has already begun. A committee of five
individuals has been selected to lead the ballot initiative charge.
The committee consists of five dedicated F4J Ohio leaders. This
committee is required by the Ohio Revised code. The wording of the
Ballot Initiative is in the process of being written and will be
shared with all in the near future.

The First Step - Establishing a 501c4 not for Profit corporation to
collect donations
The key to any campaign, including our ballot initiative, is
funding. Since Fathers-4-Justice is a 501c3, it is very limited (by
law) in how much money it can allocate to political lobbying, such
as ballot initiatives. As a result, Fathers-4-Justice has invested
significant funds to establish Families-4-Justice, a 501c4 national
organization that we can use to fund ballot initiatives nationwide,
starting with Ohio. It is important to understand that Families-4-
Justice will NOT replace Fathers-4-Justice but will co-exist as the
fund-raising organization for political initiatives such as the Ohio
ballot initiative.

Establishing a Families-4-Justice Chapter in Ohio
To collect funds in Ohio and assure full control over the allocation
of these funds to the Ohio ballot initiative campaign, it was
decided that an Ohio Chapter of Families-4-Justice 501c4 be
established with it's own local Board of Directors. This will give
the citizens of Ohio local hands-on ownership, and provide the right
vehicle for local donations to be received. To learn more about Ohio
ballot initiatives visit http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3519.

What we need from YOU RIGHT NOW!
The F4J national organization has expended significant funds to
establish the national organization of Families-4-Justice. It is
now time for Ohio members and supporters to show their support by
donating money for the formation for the Ohio Chapter of Families-4-
Justice. The total amount needed for forming the Ohio Chapter is
estimated at approximately $400. Gathering these funds is an
important first step for Ohio to support this initiative.

Donating is easy. You can go online at the F4J website
http://www.fathers-4-justice.us/ and click on the Donate icon and
then the Gear Shop icon. Be sure to type in the "Comments"
field "For Ohio Families-4-Justice Chapter". There will be plenty
of other work to be done once the Ohio Families-4-Justice chapter is
in place such as major campaign fund raising and the gathering of
many thousands of signatures for the ballot initiative. So stay
tuned and get ready to work and recruit hundreds of volunteers!
There will something for everyone to do including media grabbing F4J
style protests.

This will be the first of many communications from the Fathers-4-
Justice national board of directors, your Ohio F4J leaders and, the
soon to be announced, Ohio Ballot Initiative Committee
regarding "Operation Falling Dominoes". We look forward to making
Ohio the first "Domino" to fall for Equal Parenting.

Regards,

Fathers-4-Justice US
National Board of Directors

Kurt Anderson
John Fowler
Jamil Jabr
Donald Tenn

F4J Ohio Office: 614-448-3276

WWW.F4J.US
Mail:
FATHERS-4-JUSTICE
PO BOX 14954
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55414-0954

JOIN!
https://shop.fathers-4-justice.us/membership.html
Membership to Fathers-4-Justice-US is tax-deductible.
DONATE!
Fathers-4-Justice-US is a Federally recognized 501(c)(3) charitable
organization.
HELP!
Fathers-4-Justice and Families-4-Justice-US are 100% volunteer
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FIGHTING FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE & EQUALITY IN FAMILY LAW
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 12:28:19 PM »

  C$ > 10y Deadbeat program DEAD > OH
Posted by: "Ray Lautenschlager" ma5hie@hotmail.com   drmashie
Tue Jan 8, 2008 1:32 pm (PST)
This may help some that have been wronged by the courts
but it does not go far enough to giving parents with
equal time and equally equated child support order.
Too many have answered the PACE child support
questionnaire and told us that they are paying a
full share state guideline child support while having
their children 50% of the time. This should be an
automatic not an issue for judicial discretion.

Until equal parenting laws are established in this
state for two fit parents as the standard order of
the court this problem of wrongful arrests will continue.

___

Deadbeat parent program shelved
Agency says not all who are behind deserve cuffs

Published on Friday, Dec 28, 2007
Associated Press

COLUMBUS [Ohio]: The state has ditched a decade-old
program that rounded up deadbeat parents one day or
week each year to draw attention to those late in
child support payments.

The Department of Job and Family Services said people
behind in support payments don't always deserve to be
handcuffed on TV. The state also can't say whether the
arrests generated overdue money for children.

Sheriff's departments said they had safety concerns
about the program. Counties said they couldn't always
pull together the employees to do the arrests.

''When you've got a parent in front of you who says,
'I want to pay child support but I need help,' before
we lock that person up, before we put them on TV, we
want to give them that opportunity to do the right
thing,'' said Doug Thompson, deputy director for
the state's Office of Child Support.

The arrests aren't going away, and many counties
arrest dozens of people each day for failing to
pay child support. But Thompson said the state
is working with counties to figure out new ways
to get parents to make regular payments.

This approach is consistent with recommendations
from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Too often, social service agencies intervene in a
child support case only after the parent piles up
substantial debt that is unlikely to be collected,
according to a 2005 strategic plan drafted by the
agency's Office of Child Support Enforcement.

''Severe enforcement remedies applied when necessary
have their place,'' the report said. ''But this
Strategic Plan signals our intent to build a culture
of compliance, in which parents support their
children voluntarily and reliably.''

Counties weren't sorry to see the roundup go. Some
worried about a one-day influx of offenders with
already overcrowded jails and limited staff to
handle the intake.

Others didn't participate because a local sheriff
was already looking for the county's most wanted,
said Kim Newsom Bridges, executive director of
Ohio's association of child support enforcement
directors.

For all these reasons, only 43 of the state's
88 counties participated in last year's event.
In 2005, 39 participated.

Bridges said the roundups, which began in 1997,
were important when they started as a way to publicize
the issue and push sheriffs' offices to arrest people
behind in payments.

Hamilton County led last year's roundup totals
with 84 arrests, according to the state's news
release about the 2006 effort.

Yet the county didn't even participate in the event,
but instead forwarded to the state the number of
relevant arrests it happened to make that week.

''Every day is roundup day,'' said Jeff Startzman,
who oversees child support enforcement for Hamilton
County Job and Family Services. The county makes
almost 3,000 child support arrests a year.

An arrest is likely to force an offender to temporarily
make a payment, but much more is needed to make those
payments steady, Startzman said.
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