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« on: December 27, 2007, 02:51:03 AM »

From: harryal@earthlink.net
To: harryal@earthlink.net
Subject: FW: [CDVJ] denial of cabbies' licenses unconstutional; what about deadbroke dads?
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:19:59 -0800


FYI

 

Forwarded from an email by an NCFM member (thank you). Original distribution deleted. This is a good question. QUESTION: How do we initiate a similar lawsuit re drivers licenses suspended without a hearing for failure to pay child support?

 

From an article by Dan Ackman

"It took three years from the crackdown for a federal judge to declare
the mayor's suspensions of the cabbies' licenses without hearings
unconstitutional, in response to a lawsuit in which I represented the
drivers. Finally, in 2006, the city agreed to a settlement by which it
paid the cabbies it had suspended $7 million in damages."

http://www.slate.com/id/2180316/nav/tap3/

Why is the suspensions of the deadbroke dads' driving and professional
licenses without hearings not unconstitutional?

__._,_.___

Harry Crouch

Founder/Director, California Men's Centers

President, National Coalition of Free Men San Diego (NCFM-SD)

932 C Street, Suite B

San Diego, CA 92101

619-231-1909

California Men's Center San Diego

http://www.californiamenscenters.org

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Mensbiz Shops (great advocacy products)

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Children's Rights Initiative for Sharing Parents Equally

http.//www.crispe.org

 
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 07:14:42 AM »

Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with more de
Posted by: "John Meyer" john.l.meyer@gmail.com   thefever_y2k
Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:15 pm (PST)
Speaking of which, does anybody have links to statistics about license
suspension and repayment of child support debt?

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/210726.html

to deny a person the one way they have to repay their debt the ability
to do so. Perfect; since when did McDonalds start hiring people at
$80,000 a year is all I´d like to know.

Given the exponential factor of child support over several months, not
to mention interest and penalties, this is practically screaming "beggar
state", and a class of homeless people kept out of the ways by which
they can improve them is a security threat to any state. And that sort
of crowd has a tendency to listen to ANYBODY who promises a way out, no
matter how insane or illogical. Does the name Hitler mean anything to
you? Or Stalin? Mao?

Some may say that they should have enough in savings to restore those
licenses in the first place. Besides which, they may argue, maybe they
should have thought about that before buying that new Lamborghini or
Porsche. Ignoring the basest nature of such a verbal slap, the point of
child support is not to punish (at least that´s what they keep telling
me) but to help the children. How does it help to saddle a parent with
debt? What is that going to accomplish?

Besides which, if you look at the statistics of younger people and
investment, you´re not going to find a stellar record in the first place.

You can take a look at that from this article. It´s doubtful that they
have the money in investment to pay that up in the first place. Sure a
few people "miraculously" come up with that money but if it was there
why couldn´t the CSE find it. I´m guessing more than a few took out some
sort of loan from parents and family.

You also have the 5th Amendment implications of this in requiring
somebody to testify against themselves. No guarantee has been made that
this information will not be shared with other states. And given that
there are criminal contempt charges out there, you´re digging the roots
out of those constitutional guarantees.

Illinois seems to be playing catch up with Michigan in a convoluted game
of "how many non custodials can we scream over." I´m not sure who´s
winning, but I doubt it´s the non custodial parent. Nor the child, for
that matter.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 07:15:43 AM »

Re: Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with mor
Posted by: "Robert Gipson" armyrangerarmyranger@yahoo.com   armyrangerarmyranger
Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:46 pm (PST)
It's all the same,

Family Court Corruption. I dare to call this the United States of Amrica. It is a government United to destroy Anerica.

Iraq will prevail in unity before Americans unite against this evil government that uses our tax money to destroy our children and good fathers.

Bob

----- Original Message ----
From: John Meyer <john.l.meyer@gmail.com>
To: Fathers-4-Justice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:15:49 PM
Subject: [Fathers-4-Justice] Yeah, this makes sense. Jerk their job and saddle them with more debt

Speaking of which, does anybody have links to statistics about license
suspension and repayment of child support debt?

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/ 210726.html

to deny a person the one way they have to repay their debt the ability
to do so. Perfect; since when did McDonalds start hiring people at
$80,000 a year is all I’d like to know.

Given the exponential factor of child support over several months, not
to mention interest and penalties, this is practically screaming “beggar
state”, and a class of homeless people kept out of the ways by which
they can improve them is a security threat to any state. And that sort
of crowd has a tendency to listen to ANYBODY who promises a way out, no
matter how insane or illogical. Does the name Hitler mean anything to
you? Or Stalin? Mao?

Some may say that they should have enough in savings to restore those
licenses in the first place. Besides which, they may argue, maybe they
should have thought about that before buying that new Lamborghini or
Porsche. Ignoring the basest nature of such a verbal slap, the point of
child support is not to punish (at least that’s what they keep telling
me) but to help the children. How does it help to saddle a parent with
debt? What is that going to accomplish?

Besides which, if you look at the statistics of younger people and
investment, you’re not going to find a stellar record in the first place.

You can take a look at that from this article. It’s doubtful that they
have the money in investment to pay that up in the first place. Sure a
few people “miraculously” come up with that money but if it was there
why couldn’t the CSE find it. I’m guessing more than a few took out some
sort of loan from parents and family.

You also have the 5th Amendment implications of this in requiring
somebody to testify against themselves. No guarantee has been made that
this information will not be shared with other states. And given that
there are criminal contempt charges out there, you’re digging the roots
out of those constitutional guarantees.

Illinois seems to be playing catch up with Michigan in a convoluted game
of “how many non custodials can we scream over.” I’m not sure who’s
winning, but I doubt it’s the non custodial parent. Nor the child, for
that matter.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 07:16:19 AM »

Re: Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with mor
Posted by: "John Meyer" john.l.meyer@gmail.com   thefever_y2k
Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:56 pm (PST)
I'd put it that they're looking at their own citizens as cash cows and
trying to milk them for everything that they have. I know somebody said
government should be run more like a business, but even a business
wouldn't try to bankrupt a customer. Oh yeah, child support isn't
stopped by that. Silly me.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 07:17:13 AM »

Re: Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with mor
Posted by: "joe jurecki" joejurecki@achildsright.net   joemaflage
Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:10 pm (PST)
I actually had a site that did a study on some of what you requested info on and will try to get it. I gave the print out to lary holland to use for some articles. But I do remember one point it had for MI that stated 75% of the billions in back support was owed by people that make less than $20,000 a year. When i get the link I will send it out because it had a ton of useful info.
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 07:17:54 AM »

Re: Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with mor
Posted by: "John Meyer" john.l.meyer@gmail.com   thefever_y2k
Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:19 pm (PST)
I'm looking up some links about that as well, but if you run across it
pass it along. I'm also interested in how many actual parents those
child support amnesty programs offer and how many parents are arrested
in those crackdowns. When you have stories like "State collects over
$100000 in child support and Man arrested for owing $112000 in back
child support something smells funny
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 07:19:41 AM »

Re: Yeah, this makes sense.  Jerk their job and saddle them with mor
Posted by: "John Meyer" john.l.meyer@gmail.com   thefever_y2k
Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:43 pm (PST)
Remarkable. Does that change your perspective of the people you saw in
prison for contempt of child support. Not that they're all angels, but
gives you a little more context of those crimes.
And why hasn't the government made a requirement that a mother with a
single child wishing to leave the country must have written
authorization from the child's father?
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 07:28:33 AM »

Commonwealth v Stephen McDonough
Posted by: "Steve McDonough" daddyozz@verizon.net   daddyozzozzy
Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:31 am (PST)
That day is finaly here, they busted me, now what should I do?

Many of you out there know my story. Not only do I not owe back child support but I'm paid in advance 5 years.(per court order) The DOR does not recognize that though. They yanked my drivers lic and last night I was charged with operating without a lic.

My question is this:
Do I just go to court, pay the fine and see about trying to straighten this whole mess out with DOR so that I can get my lic back as soon as possible?
or
Do I plead not guilty, request a speedy jury trial and turn this whole thing into a circus? I'm sure that a 6 man jury will find this whole case interesting and by the end of the day will be thinking "WTF?"
BTW: DOR took out CS from my paycheck including extra for back CS from my last employer(so I quit) and remember, not only do I owe $0 in back CS, I'm PRE-PAID until at least 2011.

Any thoughts? Ideas? Backchannel me.
Thanks~

Steve

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